Is Kevin Penny injured? He's been one of our best players and then.....POOF.......he disappears and is replaced by Ormsby, seems weird to me as he hadn't had a bad game unless I'm missing something?

Him, o Brien, George king, philbin, played for North Wales crusaders today,

I can understand giving players a rest but why drop our most energetic,enthusiastic player? He's playing his ass off and hasn't put a foot wrong seems weird?

in smith we trust

Penny is sat in unlucky scapegoat corner.

Might be seen again when we lose.

Penny is a true wire. He plays for his shirt every week. We need every player like him

In fairness, Ormsby has been great since he came back into the side. So no complaints from me.

But Widnes scored a try Down Ormsby's wing .......When that happened to Penny, "experts" would come out and use that as the reason for wanting him dropped......

In all fairness Ormsby has been ok, (but I would like to see that try on Telly I was laughing at the time because Widnes were loaded on the left and went right instead, where they didnt have the numbers so I'd like to see how they worked that one.) , it would be harsh to drop Ormsby to bring Penny back in, but we have a serious lack of pace in the side without Penny.

According to Wire FM Atkins was asking Ormsby why he went out of position, allowing Widnes to score. My initial thought was that it wasn't entirely Ormsby's fault. What did it look like at the game?

I thought Atkins was average, he came alive towards end of game but what was worrying was when Widnes stole the ball and ran length of pitch only England put effort in to chase him down,, and apart from being obstructed twice would have probably caught him,, if penny was around his afterburners are good cover cos he can get back to cover, my view now the side is playing with bit of confidence penny would score a hatful, there is nothing between him and ormsby,

Went flapping for the interception, probably wasn't needed.

He is never going to go the length.......